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Katie: Whats up, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama Podcast.” I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and wellnesse.com. That’s wellness with an E on the tip. And this episode tackles a tricky matter, however I feel a really, crucial one in at the moment’s world. And that’s the matter of intercourse trafficking. I’m right here with Jimmy Rex, who’s an unbelievable one that chooses to dwell his life in a method the place not one second goes to waste. And for him, this implies actively being on the bottom, serving to rescue folks from intercourse trafficking, amongst many, many, many different issues.
He’s at the moment, as an illustration, an lively actual property agent with one of the crucial sought out teaching packages within the nation about actual property. And he’s additionally a highly regarded speaker. He has his personal podcast referred to as “The Jimmy Rex Present” that exhibits extraordinary folks, residing extraordinary lives. And he additionally spends time making an attempt to make a distinction on this planet, together with as an undercover operative for varied organizations that rescue folks from intercourse trafficking, together with quite a few very harmful journeys to different nations to avoid wasting younger youngsters and youngsters.
And we discuss this at the moment, how he’s labored on 12 completely different operations to rescue folks, how this can be a widespread drawback in lots of U.S. cities and worldwide, and the way typically, once they land in a brand new place, they can discover folks being trafficked inside simply a few hours. Why intercourse trafficking doesn’t at all times appear to be you assume it could, and what to look at for. Why these organizations spend six instances as a lot on aftercare than rescues, and the way they help folks after they’re rescued. And issues like the way to educate your youngsters to concentrate on the chance, what to look out for in your individual youngsters and of their pals, vital boundaries to assist your youngsters put in place so they are going to be much less in danger, tech tips to concentrate on. How, particularly youngsters, are focused by way of know-how and social media. Some journey suggestions associated to staying secure, particularly in different nations. Essential conversations to have along with your youngsters round this matter, and steps we will all take to assist this drawback worldwide, in addition to some actually fascinating facet tangents about Jimmy and what he does on this planet. So like I stated, robust matter, however I feel an vital one. And I feel that you’ll study lots. I do know I did and didn’t understand fairly how widespread and horrific this drawback is. So on that word, let’s be part of Jimmy.
Katie: Jimmy, welcome. Thanks for being right here.
Jimmy: Hey, I admire you having me on, thanks.
Katie: Effectively, I’m excited to talk at the moment a couple of matter that I feel lots of people perhaps favor not to consider, however one which I feel is actually, actually vital. And that’s the matter of childhood intercourse trafficking. And I do know that’s an intense one. And we’re gonna go plenty of completely different instructions with this. However at first, I might love to listen to how you bought into this work within the first place.
Jimmy: Yeah, so our mutual good friend, Paul Hutchinson. I used to be at a networking assembly about six years in the past and I heard him talking. He had simply bought again from doing his first undercover operation that he had gone on. And as I used to be listening to him inform the story, it simply touched me in a method that I knew I needed to be part of this. I knew this was going to be one thing I used to be gonna be concerned with for the remainder of my life. And so, I simply made it a mission of mine to by some means be capable to create sufficient worth to be part of this group that was going and doing this. And, you understand, six, eight months later, I discovered myself on my first op. And since then, I’ve been capable of be on 12 completely different operations. However I actually simply knew once I heard it, I needed to do one thing about it. And so simply made certain that I might do every little thing I might to supply worth.
Katie: And I do know this can be a factor that folks right here could also be talked about within the media or see occasional mainstream information references to. However I really feel prefer it, hopefully, isn’t near house for lots of people so typically it’s a straightforward factor to sort of ignore, however are you able to discuss how huge of an issue that is worldwide and why this was so vital to you?
Jimmy: Yeah, I imply, I don’t know precise numbers or something like that, however I can let you know this, anytime we went to a brand new metropolis, if we went in search of it, more often than not inside 45 minutes to an hour, we might discover folks prepared to promote us youngsters for intercourse after we have been undercover. And in order that tells you, you understand, in lots of of those cities, I’ve been to earlier than on trip and by no means crossed my thoughts, by no means thought twice about it. However the second we went in search of it, it was that simple to search out. And so, I do know that in most locations across the nation, it’s not out within the open, it’s not one thing you’d ever see or take into consideration, nevertheless it’s occurring on a regular basis.
Katie: So actually, this can be a factor that would very a lot be taking place and certain is in lots of our personal communities?
Jimmy: Yeah. I imply, it was actually, I imply, inside a few hours, for certain, we might discover folks prepared to promote as youngsters that have been already doing it.
Katie: Wow. And is that…? I do know within the analysis I’ve carried out, plenty of that is taking place technologically now and the elevated entry to know-how is making this occur. And there are methods that that’s taking place sort of underground, even on-line, is that what you guys are seeing as nicely?
Jimmy: Yeah. We didn’t actually do a lot with the net stuff, however I imply, when you concentrate on, you understand, with a purpose to, A, visitors a child, or to be the particular person on the opposite finish of that, going to search for youngsters to have intercourse with, you need to have entry to youngsters. And so up to now, plenty of instances, all that, you understand, you’d hear about was some member of the family or perhaps a instructor or one thing like that, any individual that was near these youngsters. Effectively now, due to the web, we all know there’s simply much more accessibility for these folks seeking to do these issues. And to allow them to each visitors and discover youngsters simpler by way of the web. And so, clearly, it’s turn into a really prevalent place the place that occurs.
Katie: So whenever you say you’ve gone on 12 completely different operations, what does that appear to be? Are you guys capable of truly rescue among the youngsters from these conditions?
Jimmy: Yeah. So I’ve been on 12 ops that have been concerned with rescuing youngsters. So we go right down to completely different areas the place we all know one thing’s occurring, or we’ve been tipped off that there is perhaps an issue. And we’d go down undercover. And our job is to enter the worst locations in these cities and discover the worst folks and attempt to discover these which are trafficking youngsters. And so we’re utilizing, you understand, all of our talents to mainly attempt to discover the youngsters and the folks prepared to promote us the youngsters.
And so forth all 12 of these ops, a number of of them, you understand, didn’t find yourself getting the youngsters. One thing occurred, any individual bought tipped off, or no matter it might need been, however the majority of them went very profitable. And total, I feel I’ve been capable of be part of now rescuing over 150 youngsters and having over 45, 50 guys and girls arrested. And so, yeah, we’d actually simply go undercover, we’d go into these cities. We’d fly in and begin doing our factor that we do with a purpose to discover them. And like I stated, typically it could take us a number of days to sort of get all of it arrange, typically it’d be very fast, however that’s sort of what it appeared like.
Katie: And I’ll admit, it’s considerably unfathomable to me that that is taking place and particularly on such a big scale. Like, I actually can’t even comprehend once I learn these stats. Are these like dad and mom and caregivers which are collaborating on this, are these youngsters being kidnapped, or what are you guys often discovering?
Jimmy: Yeah. So we see slightly little bit of every little thing. So it doesn’t often appear to be you’d assume. So we now have seen youngsters behind cages and bars. That’s, in Haiti, that was, you understand, the truth of the state of affairs one time. That’s not often what you see although. So sometimes, what’s occurring is plenty of these youngsters are trafficked both by any individual they know, by a member of the family, by a good friend, by a instructor. I’ll provide you with one instance. We have been in a metropolis in Latin America, and it was a seventh or eighth-grade faculty instructor.
She used her place to lure these women that she was educating. For instance, so she would inform them, “Hey, you understand, I’ve bought an additional $20 in case you’ll go to this get together. We’re gonna have a celebration. It ought to be enjoyable.” Lure them into the get together. Subsequent factor they know, they’re being raped. And the instructor tells them, “For those who inform anyone, inform your dad and mom, then I’m gonna inform them that you just went and had intercourse with these males. After which we’ll inform all people what you’ve carried out.” After which mainly it’s a disgrace factor.
After which they, you understand… And we all know this as a result of among the instances after we have been capable of finding these traffickers, we’d be capable to faucet their telephones. And the Mexican police or the Latin police, whoever we have been working with, would eavesdrop on the conversations. And these women can be begging to not should go, however they’d go nonetheless. And so plenty of them have been even residing at house and being trafficked out of their very own home. A whole lot of them, you bought a neighbor or a member of the family or any individual like that’s doing it.
A whole lot of instances, the ladies or the ladies, you understand, they weren’t even… typically they didn’t even know the depth of the how unhealthy it was, what was taking place to them. They knew that, you understand, they have been being trafficked out, however they didn’t absolutely perceive. They have been too younger to essentially comprehend what was occurring. So you actually see slightly little bit of every little thing, however often, it’s any individual in these sorts of conditions. A whole lot of instances, runaways or women that, you understand, had a hassle in the home, they’d go dwell with a member of the family or a good friend, and subsequent factor you understand, they’re residing with the traffickers or no matter that may appear to be. And so, we noticed all of that.
One of many first issues that we do, anytime we’re gonna go right into a metropolis, a brand new metropolis, and go undercover, we now have to verify first that they’ve all of the aftercare arrange in order that if we do a rescue and we discover these younger women, that they’ve aftercare set as much as assist them or to deal with them. And so we wouldn’t even ever go do an op with out that setup. And a part of the explanation for that’s if we rescue the ladies and there’s no aftercare, there’s no method to assist them, it’s truly worse for them plenty of instances. And so, you understand, we work along with these organizations.
And so, one of many first questions that they at all times determine, or one of many first issues they determine is, “Okay. Was this particular person residing at house? Had been they lacking? In the event that they have been lacking, have been they reported lacking?” As a result of that’s often an indication whether or not the dad and mom have been concerned or not. And so, you understand, we actually did plenty of work on the again finish to make it possible for was all taken care of. That’s a very huge a part of it’s simply to make it possible for their state of affairs is secure at house. And if not, they wouldn’t return to that state of affairs.
Katie: That was gonna be my follow-up query is what does aftercare appear to be? As a result of I can solely think about that there’s in all probability lots that wants to enter this from the psychological well being facet, from the bodily well being facet to the logistical facet of constructing certain they’ve a secure place to be after. What all goes into that?
Jimmy: Yeah. Similar to you simply stated, all of that, you understand, plenty of therapists, plenty of caretakers, lots of people. After which additionally determining what the ladies needed with their lives. Attempting to attach them to the fitting folks that would assist them in the event that they needed to go to high school, in the event that they needed to have a sure profession. Somebody needed to, you understand, bake or get into hair chopping or no matter that is perhaps. Give them one thing the place that they had an opportunity to study and develop and never have to return to a nasty state of affairs.
However that’s… Yeah, aftercare concerned all of the above. And by the point, you understand, I labored lots with a gaggle referred to as… nicely, I labored with plenty of completely different teams, however Youngster Liberation Basis and Operation Underground Railroad. I do know, you understand, for these organizations, they spend much more cash. I heard as soon as, I can’t confirm this, however I heard one time they spend six instances more cash per baby on aftercare that they do on the precise rescues themselves.
Katie: Wow. Effectively, that appears tremendous, tremendous vital. What sort of age vary do you sometimes see when these persons are rescued? I’m slightly scared to ask, however I might assume it’s principally like youngsters and younger adults, or do you see sort of throughout the board?
Jimmy: Normally 12 to 14, 15 is sort of what most of them are. You understand, I feel the youngest I noticed was 12. I feel the oldest that we… We rescued some that weren’t underage, however you understand, nonetheless being exploited or no matter. However the majority have been that 12 to 17, 12 to 16 vary.
Katie: And is there a course of for coping with the people who find themselves doing the trafficking? Like, are there in these completely different nations and particularly within the U.S., like, is there truly a technique of them being dropped at justice or what does that appear to be?
Jimmy: Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we by no means labored within the U.S. The U.S. has, you understand, plenty of enforcement companies. I do know there’s some organizations that work along with these legislation enforcement companies. However you gotta bear in mind, plenty of these nations we go to, they don’t have the cash or the means to do it. And they also have reached out to us to assist them. They desperately need our assist. You understand, for instance, after I did a few ops in Mexico, they have been so grateful to us that they ended up awarding me and my group of pals that have been along with me, you understand, diplomat standing and a few actually cool awards and issues like that as a result of they’re so grateful. As a result of, you understand, one of many damaging stuff you hear about that is like, “Oh, the Individuals simply wanna go G.I. Joe or no matter.” And it’s actually not true in any respect. They have been so grateful to have us there to have the ability to work with them.
And what the Individuals are capable of do is a lot more practical as a result of we appear to be the folks which are happening there for the trafficking within the first place. And so we’re capable of simply get much more info. I bear in mind one op we did, you understand, it took us about 24 hours. The top of the federal police in that nation stated, “You guys have gotten us extra info in 24 hours than we gotten in 14 months.” We had all their names, their social medias, their telephone numbers, you understand, every little thing we would have liked for these guys. And so for us, the chance to go down there and try this, it’s simply way more efficient, way more environment friendly for them. However yeah, it’s a course of of constructing certain you’re working along with every authority on each single op. You’re working very intently hand in hand.
Katie: And I really feel like from right here, there’s sort of a two-prong strategy I wanna go into. The primary being, for all of the dad and mom listening, most individuals listening are dad and mom, what can we pay attention to, indicators to search for, hopefully not in our personal youngsters for anybody listening, however in perhaps different youngsters that we’re interacting with, our children’ pals, simply generally, that may be sort of warning indicators for issues like abuse and kidnapping and intercourse trafficking?
Jimmy: Yeah. I feel it’s actually vital to show your youngsters in the event that they’re uncomfortable with one thing, to let you understand. I do know once I was a child, I had like a bizarre uncle and nothing ever occurred, however I simply felt uncomfortable with him. He at all times needed to kiss me on the lips like when he was saying hello and bye, and I used to be capable of get out of it. However, you understand, I bear in mind my dad and mom being like, “Be good or no matter.” And it’s like, no, don’t. Like, in case you really feel uncomfortable with one thing, that’s an indication that perhaps it’s best to steer clear of that particular person. Or in case you have, like, a neighbor that’s slightly bit creepy, there’s in all probability one thing to that. So don’t…
I bear in mind simply as a child, you understand, dad and mom, plenty of instances, they don’t need their youngsters to come back off impolite, however I feel it’s vital to let your youngsters know in case you don’t wanna speak to any individual otherwise you don’t wanna be good to any individual that’s an grownup, that’s good. Like, let me know and also you don’t should. You don’t should be pleasant to all people, even when it’s your grandparent or your uncle or whoever it is perhaps. I feel that’s one vital factor for folks. After which simply search for issues. Like, it’s not okay for folks to be pals with youngsters. It’s not okay for folks to be overly pleasant with youngsters. Or, sorry, strangers, you understand. To be… So if any individual’s making an attempt to love… Normally, in the event that they’re gonna do one thing, nonetheless to today, I feel more often than not, the traffickers know the youngsters. And so take note of that.
If the instructor is contacting the scholar exterior of church or faculty, in all probability not okay. If there’s issues that they need them to maintain from you as a dad or mum, not okay. And so I feel it’s vital to simply have open communication along with your youngsters and simply allow them to know, “Hey, I’m by no means gonna get mad at you. But when there’s ever an grownup wanting to satisfy up or speak or no matter, I simply wanna know what’s occurring and I’ll make sure that, you understand, to be part of it. Simply have a really open dialogue along with your youngsters. As a result of often it appears like an grownup that’s simply making an attempt to be good and so they’ll make you appear to be you’re the loopy one.
However you understand, I feel youngsters, particularly if youngsters are simply uncomfortable round any individual, take note of their power. You probably have a neighbor that the child’s at all times hiding from or doesn’t wanna speak to or sort of clamps up round, that is perhaps an indication that, you understand, they don’t wanna be round that neighbor or one thing is perhaps occurring there. And so I feel that’s an important factor so far as with folks you understand. So far as folks you don’t know, I feel, once more, simply educating your youngsters to have the ability to say, you understand, to have the ability to say no, to yell in the event that they’re in hassle, to watch out the place they’re going, to simply listen, you understand, all the primary issues that you’d already inform your child as a dad or mum.
Katie: Yeah. And I feel that boundary one, particularly round bodily contact is actually, actually vital. To only echo what you stated of even at a younger age, you understand, not forcing our children to hug a relative in the event that they don’t need to. And educate them from the second that they perceive that your physique is yours to make selections about, interval. And I help your selections about that. For those who don’t wanna…you’ll not be pressured to hug or kiss any relative, together with me. Like, that is your physique, your autonomy, and I’m your greatest supporter in that.
And that’s additionally actually nice recommendation about simply watching grownup relationships and ensuring we’re part of them with different adults exterior the household. As a result of definitely, like, after all, there might be mentorship conditions or lecturers who’re nice with the youngsters, however there’s no purpose dad and mom can’t be concerned in these relationships as nicely.
What in regards to the social media facet? As a result of that is an space that once I was at these ages, didn’t exist. So this was one thing I didn’t should navigate as a young person. And now, as dad and mom, we’re navigating with our children fairly often from a youthful age. And I’ve learn at the least that fairly a little bit of the concentrating on that occurs goes on by way of social media or by way of on-line channels.
Jimmy: Yeah. So, that is a type of issues that folks may not be very conscious of in any respect, however it is extremely simple to contact youngsters or teenage youngsters by way of social media apps for these folks. So I’ll provide you with an instance. We have been on trip undercover. Effectively, I ought to say, our group was undercover. There was, with us, one of many guys that got here down undercover, his spouse and cousin got here to be on trip within the metropolis. So earlier than the ops began, they have been hanging out. Effectively, one of many cousin was on her social media on Fb, I consider, or Instagram.
And he or she had simply posted that she was on this specific seaside metropolis hanging out and bought contacted by this man on there that stated, “Oh. Hey, we now have this get together occurring. It’s on the membership, this, this. You guys ought to come.” Effectively, we noticed it later and it was one of many traffickers that we have been working with undercover in that metropolis had contacted her to come back to this get together. I imply, she was, I feel 19 or 20, so she wasn’t underage, however nonetheless, he didn’t know that. And who is aware of if that might’ve was a trafficking state of affairs. So plenty of instances, folks will submit their footage and so they’ll put the landmark that they’re by.
Effectively, these traffickers can search by a landmark, they’ll search by metropolis. They will see, you understand, the place these persons are after which they contact them in real-time and say, “Oh. Hey, we bought this get together,” or, “Hey, we bought this occasion occurring.” And so I simply assume it’s vital that they turn into conscious. As a result of plenty of instances, particularly teenage youngsters and teenage women, they is perhaps occurring a trip and so they harmlessly are posting about the place they’re at in real-time and exhibiting that and it simply sort of opens that door. Particularly in case you’re in another country, what I like to recommend to folks to do is submit every little thing three or 4 days later. So wait until you allow the place you’re at.
For those who wanna do a video in your Instagram story, as an alternative of posting that story in real-time, you understand, wait three days, make the video, after which submit every little thing a number of days later. I do know that’s not as enjoyable as doing it in real-time, however particularly overseas, I simply assume that’s actually vital to not let folks know the place you’re at. A whole lot of instances, these are small cities, they’re seaside cities, you understand, you’re in some Southeast Asia place or one thing or, you understand, Latin nation, or South America, or wherever it is perhaps. As a result of it’s a very actual factor. And in addition, it simply opens the door even for folks…
You understand, and fogeys as nicely, by the way in which. For those who’re posting and also you’re method in another country otherwise you’re very far-off from house and you’ve got teenage youngsters at house, nicely, in all probability not a good suggestion to submit in real-time both as a result of now if anyone’s been watching you and your youngsters, they know you guys are away, they might perhaps attempt to make their transfer in your child at the moment when you’re out. And so I feel it’s actually vital to simply pay attention to that. I do know we wanna present the world every little thing we’re doing, however in case you have, you understand, teenage youngsters, particularly your youthful youngsters, I simply assume it’s good time to place, you understand, put some area in between the place you might be in order that no one can…
I’ve an in depth household that I’m excellent pals with referred to as the Bucket Listing Household. And also you might need heard of them earlier than. I’ve gone on a number of journeys with them, with Garrett and Jess and their household. They usually at all times wait three or 4 or 5 days to submit from the place they really are so folks don’t know the place they’re at. They will’t come and, you understand, who is aware of what they may attempt to do or no matter. And so, I discovered that from Garrett firsthand. However you understand, it’s a fairly good thought to simply submit a number of days later.
Katie: Yeah. That’s such a easy tip, however such an vital one. And it’s one I’ve inadvertently carried out simply due to having sort of a web-based platform. I might find yourself assembly up with folks if I posted the place I truly was, which was truly nice, as a result of I really like assembly up with my readers, nevertheless it made me understand like, wow, it’s really easy for folks to determine and put the items collectively and there’s this probability of individuals being in the identical place. However after we consider it by way of this lens, particularly for youths, that could be a easy tip. It makes an entire lot of sense. I do know youngsters are so used to posting every little thing and sharing their entire life on social media, however that’s such an vital tip.
Jimmy: Yeah. I imply, I do the identical factor. After I go, you understand, I’m going to plenty of sporting occasions, and I submit that in real-time. I don’t have little youngsters at house both and stuff like that so it’s not as huge of a deal. However yeah, it’s simply a type of little issues. Additionally, simply generally, in social media, take note of who your youngsters are speaking with. In the event that they’re youngsters, in the event that they’re on the apps, I feel it’s simply vital to have a great relationship with them and never get mad at them in case you ever see them speaking to adults as a result of they’re gonna cover it from you in that case. And so I feel in case you can actually come from a spot of understanding and curiosity and love with them, and simply allow them to know like, “Hey, I simply wanna just be sure you are protected.”
I simply inform them, “I simply wanna be sure you’re protected. You by no means know. I’ll by no means get mad at you, but when you understand adults ever attain out to you, I’d like to know.” I used to be, you understand, speaking to any individual fairly not too long ago and she or he had talked about, she’s older now, however she had talked about when she was 16 and 17, she had 37 to 39-year-old guys, you understand, that she was occurring dates with as a 16-year-old, 15-year-old. And also you’re like, “Geez, the place have been the dad and mom on this?” You understand? Nevertheless it’s actually vital to know who your youngsters are speaking to. And so I simply assume the extra you may create that comfortability with them the place they’re gonna be sincere and open with you and also you don’t get mad at them for it, I feel you’re gonna be capable to present an area the place they’ll truly share it with you.
Katie: Yeah. And the significance of simply having these open conversations. And like I stated, social media didn’t exist once I was a young person, however I had guys in particular person who’re a lot, a lot, a lot older attempt to make contact and speak to me. And like that felt bizarre on the time. And, like, I didn’t have a great context essentially for, like, what do I do about this? And so I feel having these conversations along with your youngsters actually early and ensuring, such as you stated, that they hear again and again, like, “I’ll by no means be mad at you. I’ll at all times be your advocate. And these are vital. Even in case you simply have a suspicion or an inkling or one thing simply feels bizarre, we will discuss it, something, and you’ll not ever get in hassle for that.” Simply to create kinda that security web.
And I feel the opposite a part of this, so like I feel the dad and mom being conscious with our personal youngsters is tremendous, tremendous vital. However such as you’ve defined, this can be a worldwide drawback, sadly. It appears to be an growing drawback nonetheless in at the moment’s society. And I do know, like, as an illustration, me as a mother of six youngsters, I can’t go do sting operations very simply in different nations, however what are some ways in which we will get entangled and assist help the training, help the combat towards this for different folks’s youngsters and somewhere else?
Jimmy: Yeah. You understand, I feel one of the crucial vital issues you are able to do is to begin with your individual self, your loved ones, the folks that you just affect. Paul at all times has this saying. He says, “Jimmy, I’m gonna educate you a lesson in regards to the circle of affect.” He says, “If it’s throughout the circle that you would be able to affect it, then you will have the fitting to fret about it. If it’s not inside that circle, you will have two decisions. You both don’t fear about it otherwise you make an even bigger circle so that you could affect extra and you may finally do one thing about it.”
So so far as, like, yeah, you’re not gonna be capable to go undercover and do these sort of issues. What you are able to do is to assist help the organizations like Youngster Liberation Basis that, you understand, goes and does this type of stuff. You possibly can help them by sharing their tales, by sharing their social medias, by sharing their posts, liking it, commenting it, simply letting the phrase get on the market. Additionally what you’re doing proper now, proper? Doing this podcast. And one of many issues that, you understand, I’m cautious to share once I inform folks the way to share that is you don’t wanna share it in a method that’s unfaithful or loopy.
You’ll discover I by no means give stats or numbers I don’t know. I don’t wanna throw issues on the market. As a result of what I feel what occurred with this motion slightly bit during the last yr or two is the folks which are actually evil, I feel that they tried to lump on this situation with QAnon and a few of these different loopy theories which are on the market. And so what it did is it sort of minimized all of it, proper? It was like, “Oh, it’s only a bunch of loopy folks.” Nevertheless it’s like, “No. I’ve seen firsthand. I do know the issue that’s on the market. I don’t know the extent to precisely how large it’s, nevertheless it’s huge and it’s an issue.”
However as a result of so many individuals began sounding loopy with the way in which they shared it and sharing numbers and stats that perhaps weren’t true, they have been capable of lump it in and simply be like, “Yeah, that’s all simply a part of the loopy proper wing conspiracy.” And so I’m very cautious to not share issues that aren’t true. I wanna make it possible for folks know this can be a actual factor. That is taking place. It doesn’t imply that Tom Hanks is consuming youngsters. It signifies that, you understand, that there’s a pedophile. And we all know Ghislaine Maxwell trial occurring proper now. This can be a actual factor. It’s been taking place.
However cautious the way you share it. I share it in a method the place it’s like, “Look, that is in all probability taking place proper in your yard.” It doesn’t matter if the elites of the world are doing it within the sense that that’s not essentially what you could be sharing. What you could be sharing is, like, look, straight up on the bottom, how can I be affecting my neighborhood, my metropolis, and sort of fear in regards to the issues you may truly affect? That’s the very best factor I’m making an attempt to get out of that is you’re not gonna be capable to do something if the world leaders are all doing this.
Like, there’s not a lot you are able to do or say about that. What you would do is, in your neighborhood, assist educate folks, assist folks see the issue that’s on the market. After which simply assist them be, you understand, once more, be good neighbors. The strongest neighborhoods the place this isn’t taking place is the place there may be sturdy neighborhoods, they’re serving to one another, they care about one another. They’re prepared to speak to one another. And so, I feel that to me is one of the best ways to do it. After which, clearly, once more, simply spreading the notice and issues like that.
Katie: And I’ll make sure that, I do know that there are additionally many on-line sources, together with the organizations you talked about. I’ll make sure that these are linked to the present notes at wellnessmama.fm. so that you guys can learn and discover a few of these precise details to share and know what to look at for and in your individual neighborhood. I additionally absolutely agree with you that having sturdy communities in our native space is part of the answer. And in addition, I’ve talked about it in so many podcast episodes, it’s vital for well being, it’s vital for psychological well being, it’s vital for longevity.
Like, there’s a purpose blue zones have sturdy communities and that’s as a result of they’re very important to us as human animals. However that is additionally simply one other instance of why that’s so vital. And particularly for our children. I do know that is an space that’s been robust for lots of people the final couple of years for the reason that neighborhood’s been harder with plenty of the restrictions which have gone on, however one which’s very, crucial to nurture.
And so I’ll make sure that all these hyperlinks are included within the present notes. I’d like to additionally speak slightly bit extra about you personally so folks can perceive the work that you just’re doing and in addition why that is, you understand, so vital to you and the way you’re employed to enhance the world in an entire lot of various areas. And I’ve some notes in my present notes, one being, in case you have been gonna give a TED Speak, it could be about sort of the concept of your ebook, which is “You Finish Up The place You’re Heading.” So I might love to listen to you discuss that slightly bit as a result of I feel that is additionally actually related to oldsters.
Jimmy: Yeah, yeah. So a number of years in the past, once more, I sort of had this second the place I used to be making an attempt to determine what my life was gonna be about, what the aim of my life was going to be. And I felt very strongly finally about my objective, and it’s to assist folks dwell a unprecedented life, to unfold love and goodness by way of having a playful spirit, and exhibiting how to do this. And so one of many issues that… I’ll let you know a fast story too. The hat that I’m sporting, it’s a emblem for my firm. It’s referred to as “We Are The They.”
And the way that happened is I got here again from one in every of these ops. It was truly one of the crucial harmful ones we’d ever been on. And, you understand, I used to be telling my girlfriend on the time, she picked me up on the airport, and we have been speaking all in regards to the op and the way scary it was and the way cool it was as a result of we bought the rescue and we took these horrible guys down. And I’m telling her all about it and she or he pulls over and she or he goes, “Hey, I gotta be sincere. I don’t need you to go do that anymore.” And I used to be like, “What do you imply? I simply rescued these youngsters. Like, that is my life’s objective right here. You understand, it’s gonna be a giant a part of it.”
And he or she says, “Effectively, I do know, nevertheless it’s simply such a nasty surroundings.”It’s simply actually scary. It’s harmful.” And he or she stated, “Why can’t they simply go do it?” And with out pondering, I stated, “Effectively, there isn’t a they, we’re the they.” And as quickly as I stated it, I used to be like ‘Oh, shit, that’s…” And, you understand, and I knew… And in order that turned the mannequin for my life is “We’re the they.” And in order that, you understand, once more, along with the ebook, I simply attempt to assist folks. I coach males the way to turn into the very best model of themselves. It’s a gaggle referred to as “We Are The They.”
And mainly, we simply, by way of being males of integrity, by way of being sincere about what, you understand, I observed over time, the folks that might attain out to me essentially the most, they needed neighborhood and so they needed a secure place the place they might open up and have folks love them by way of development and making an attempt to turn into the very best model of themselves. And in order that’s the place I began that. The ebook basically follows what is named the hero’s journey, which is the trail that all of us go on.
And I feel it’s vital in life to keep in mind that attending to the place we’re making an attempt to get, it’s not a easy path. It’s not a straightforward path. However that journey, that hero’s journey that we go on. And mainly, in case you’ve by no means thought of what you need your life to appear to be, you’re simply gonna find yourself the place you’re heading. You’re simply gonna go wherever the wind sort of takes you. No matter particular person desires you to be part of their story, they’ll add you in as a chunk. And often, you’ll spend your life constructing their dream or their factor.
And so if you understand what you need, in case you get crystal clear on the place you’re making an attempt to go and what you’re making an attempt to do… You understand, you requested me on the very starting of this, how did you get into this? And finally, it’s as simple as I simply determined I used to be going to do that. I made that call. I had a why large after which I discovered the way to make that occur. And in order that’s that method with every little thing in life. I simply sort of, you understand, by way of the ebook and thru my teaching program, encourage folks to determine precisely what they need in life after which go about determining why that’s what they need after which determining the way to go about doing it.
Katie: Yeah. I feel that’s so vital. I haven’t had an opportunity to learn it but, however I’m undoubtedly going to take a look at your ebook. I even have a word in my present notes that you’ve an honorary doctorate diploma from 13 universities in Mexico. And I really feel like I would like to listen to extra about this.
Jimmy: Yeah, that was a part of… So we did plenty of these ops early on. We have been in Mexico. We have been capable of rescue plenty of youngsters down there and so they have been so grateful to us for doing this. Like I stated, they didn’t have the flexibility, the means to do it. And so, a number of years in the past, they flew up, in all probability 30, 35 officers from Mexico flew up, and we did a particular ceremony on the Capitol constructing right here in Utah with the Lawyer Common of Utah. They gave us honorary doctorate levels.
So I’ve this group of buddies from highschool. There’s eight of us which are all greatest pals. And two of them turned docs. One’s an orthopedist surgeon and one’s a plastic surgeon. And I made the joke to them. I stated, “Gosh, guys, who would’ve ever thought that three of us would turn into docs, you understand?” They usually didn’t assume that was very humorous since they put 15 years of faculty into it. Nevertheless it was simply sort of an honor that we bought to have, simply one thing sort of cool and one thing sort of attention-grabbing I put in my bio.
Katie: I even have a word that you just’ve been to 84 nations. And I might love to listen to just some of the highest ones that you’d advocate essentially the most.
Jimmy: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So actually, what occurred, I’ll inform the story of why I began doing that. So in 2014, I had a buddy, his title was Eric Hill. And he had a purpose, he was gonna go to each single nation within the shortest period of time ever. And he’d gotten to I feel over 50 of them in lower than 6 or 7 months. And he was doing this international odyssey. And he ended up passing away. He was paragliding and had an accident and died. And I bear in mind there was this, sort of, this hashtag that went round, #livelikeEric.
And what that meant to me was this man was actually residing his life. He was doing all these wonderful issues and going and simply residing his life. And I remembered I hadn’t been in another country in years. I’d been simply working my butt off on a regular basis. And I stated to myself, I stated, you understand, “If I died tomorrow, like, the tragedy that that might be.” And so I simply made it a purpose. I simply stated, “I’m simply gonna go see the world.” And so I began touring, went on a number of journeys with pals, with teams of pals, with, you understand, any individual I used to be relationship, after which went on a number of on my own too.
And what I found is simply this world, when you determine, like, how lovely the world is, whenever you actually can admire the world for every little thing it’s, you will have a a lot stronger need to put it aside, a a lot stronger need to do good on this planet, I feel. And so for me, I actually encourage all people, drop plenty of prejudices and also you’re capable of actually see folks and perceive that we’re all a part of the identical human household. However to choose a number of, I might say, you understand, Eire and Scotland and Iceland are wonderful. Everybody of their lives ought to do an African safari.
You understand, I bear in mind sleeping out in the midst of the bush in Zimbabwe and waking up there’s lions 200-feet away and there’s monkeys swinging within the bushes above us. And a honey badger actually crawled proper as much as my leg. And I bear in mind sitting on this berm overlooking this type of this hill and into sort of like a marsh and there was hippos and within the distance, there’s giraffes and rhinos. And it’s simply essentially the most surreal factor that… You begin to go go to all these folks. What actually is cool goes and visiting the native folks in all these locations, you understand? And also you begin to simply actually have a love for humanity. It actually drops any prejudices you will have.
I do know I went a few years in the past to Egypt with a good friend of mine. And he grew up there and his household nonetheless lives there. And we spent a number of days with them after we went and noticed the pyramids and all that. And this household was, you understand, a Muslim household. And I’m in Utah. We don’t have very many minorities, simply being sincere with you. You sort of worry what you don’t know and so that you’re at all times just a bit bit afraid of these folks. And so going over there although and feeling their like to me. They usually introduced me into their houses and fed us and essentially the most wonderful meals and simply the way in which they handled us and honored us was actually particular.
And I spotted, you understand, all these stuff you’re afraid of in life, when you get close to them, you now not are. And, you understand, Brené Brown talks about this on a regular basis, leaning into folks. Similar factor with animals. Actually, I’m an enormous shark man. I really like sharks. I like to swim with sharks. I’ve swum with 15 completely different species of sharks, together with bull sharks, tiger sharks, all this and not using a cage. And when you will have a tiger shark coming at you, proper? I used to be in the midst of the Atlantic Ocean. It’s 15-feet lengthy. It’s this huge… It appears like a miniature bus coming at you, however you’re feeling its power towards you. And as an alternative of being afraid, you’re simply in amazement and marvel.
This factor lives right here on this physique of water and it’s arising and it’s simply curious, and it’s you and also you’re it. There’s no cage. It’s simply this change of power and love and it actually modifications your view in direction of most issues. And so, a part of what I educate, you understand, the lads in my teaching program is we go do scary issues as a result of we now have these irrational fears from what we’re advised to consider from society. You understand, the information media wants you to be in worry in order that they’ll, you understand, promote. I imply, you understand, worry sells and all these various things. And so what we attempt to do is by touring and by going and experiencing all this, it’s such a good looking world on the market. And I feel that’s the great thing about touring.
Katie: I agree with you. I’ve thought with my very own youngsters is, like, I do know I can look again and understand among the more durable instances of my life helped me turn into the particular person I’m at the moment. And but I don’t wanna deliberately create a troublesome life for my youngsters. And journey’s sort of the right answer as a result of there’s plenty of inherent issue that comes together with journey. And such as you stated, you acquire an entire new perspective on humanity and on the world and the way we’re all a lot extra linked and related than we regularly develop up after we develop up in a homogenous space. And so journey’s undoubtedly a core worth for us as nicely. Though you will have traveled to many, many extra locations, which is superior and provoking.
Jimmy: Yeah. You do plenty of problem-solving whenever you journey, to your level, you understand, is making an attempt to determine issues out on the go and you may’t converse the language and also you gotta determine stuff and also you simply do. You simply find yourself figuring it out. However I really like that concept as a dad or mum to, you understand, assist your youngsters develop.
Katie: After which lastly, on my notes, I’ve a word that you just’re the President of the Chris Farley Fan Membership. And I really feel like that wants some clarification as nicely.
Jimmy: Yeah. So me and my pals, after we have been in highschool, I used to be a Sophomore in highschool when Chris Farley handed away, and we have been simply such huge followers. I imply, I needed to be Chris Farley. Most guys, you understand, most youngsters in all probability needed to be an athlete or needed to be one of many film stars that was getting all the ladies. I needed to be Chris Farley. I simply thought he was the very best ever. And so me and my pals, the day he handed away, which is December 18th, truly it was simply yesterday, was two days in the past, sorry, it was Chris Farley Day. December 18th was the day he handed away. So we’d get collectively yearly and watch all his motion pictures.
After which one yr… You understand, I used to be at all times simply Googling Chris Farley trying into issues. And I bear in mind one yr, again in perhaps 2002 or 2003, I Googled Chris Farley and there was a basis arrange by his brother, Tom, the place they have been elevating cash to assist, you understand, preserve youngsters off medicine. So I reached out to him and we began a relationship. After which a couple of yr later, two years later, Chris Farley bought a star on Hollywood and we bought invited out to come back to it. And Tom stated, “Hey, I imply, you guys are mainly the fan membership. Why don’t you come on out and are available to the star ceremony?”
And so we got here out, went to the occasion. It was very non-public. I feel there was perhaps 70 folks. I imply, we’re speaking it’s Adam Sandler, Chris Rock, David Spade, Tom Arnold, Gary Busey, the fellows from Paramount, his household, and us. And it was very intimate. And bought to the star ceremony, went to the after-party, and frolicked with all people. It was sort of a celebration, but in addition sort of somber. You understand, I bear in mind Adam Sandler simply being tremendous unhappy and… However then and we, yeah, turned the unofficial official Chris Farley Fan Membership that day. And so I turned the president of that.
We did an occasion a few years later right here in Utah the place, you understand, his brothers got here in and we did this big get together to boost cash for the inspiration. And we had, like, pizza and it was the meat lovers pizza within the trunk pizza part. We had the hen wings. There was the Tommy likey, Tommy Need Wingy hen wings. And had standup comedians come and performed all his motion pictures. And so I keep in contact fairly recurrently together with his brothers to today, had them on my podcast final yr. We discuss it on a regular basis. And only a particular little connection I feel to this man that I by no means met however have been capable of create plenty of, you understand, the enjoyment that I had as a child by way of life was by way of him. So I’ve sort of honored him that method.
Katie: What a cool story.
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And as we get towards the tip of time, one other query I like to ask is that if there’s a ebook or quite a lot of books which have had a profound influence in your life, and if that’s the case, what they’re and why?
Jimmy: Yeah. I imply, I’m an enormous reader. And so I used to learn 50 to 100 books a yr for a very long time. That was in all probability earlier than I began my podcast. That’s what I might do. Now I, you understand, research plenty of podcasts and podcast friends so I can get folks on my podcast. However I nonetheless learn fairly a bit. And I might say, if I might decide one ebook that each man ought to learn is named “The Approach of the Superior Man” by David Deida. David has personally been a coach of mine as nicely, however he’s, I imply, that ebook, simply nails, the way to present up as a person.
However that’s one ebook that had an enormous profound change on my life. So many, however “Suppose and Develop Wealthy,” you understand, “The 4 Agreements,” these are all books that I attempt to learn at the least as soon as yearly or two. After which something by Brene Brown is particular and teaches you the way to love humanity slightly bit higher. And so, yeah, these are a few of my favorites.
Katie: And I do know that past a ebook, you’ve carried out a lot on this planet we didn’t even get to speak about at the moment, together with plenty of work in actual property and a lot extra. So the place can folks discover you on-line and continue learning about all of the stuff you’re doing?
Jimmy: Yeah. One of the best place to search out me, my Instagram is @mrjimmyrex, and I submit every little thing that I’m doing on there. Anytime I’m talking, anytime I’ve occasions, my new podcasts that come out, any, you understand, events that I’m internet hosting or throwing any charity occasions for this charity or others that I’m doing, I share on there. And so simply observe me on @mrjimmyrex. That’s in all probability one of the best ways. And be happy to succeed in out anytime if I can assist in any method. I’m excellent at getting again to folks in my DMs. I do all that myself and so glad to assist anyone if, you understand, if there’s a necessity that I can help you.
Katie: Thanks a lot. And like I stated, I’ll make sure that we hyperlink to all the various things we’ve talked about, particularly the organizations that folks can help if they’ll’t actively go do work on this space, in addition to to your entire locations that you just dwell on-line. However Jimmy, thanks a lot for taking the time to be right here at the moment. You could have such an interesting story and all the adventures of your life. And I’m so grateful for you educating about this and for the work that you just’ve carried out instantly to assist with this drawback worldwide.
Jimmy: Effectively, thanks. It’s one thing that, you understand, when you get into it and also you begin doing it, you understand how particular it’s, how particular to have the ability to assist these folks which are on this state of affairs. I imply, we even have gone in and seen the ladies being, you understand, in these positions and we’ve been capable of have the rescues. And it’ll change you and it modifications you endlessly. And so it’s particular to me. It’s particular to have the ability to share about it and assist different folks turn into conscious. And so if I can ever do anything to assist unfold consciousness, I’m at all times out there. And thanks once more for having me on.
Katie: Thanks a lot for being right here. And thanks as at all times to all of you who’re listening for sharing your time, your power, and your consideration with us at the moment. We’re each so grateful that you just did. And I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.
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